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Extract from email received from Brian Owles, Chairman of BPiA
ICBP did have a meeting set up with Richard Harrington MP, The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions (Watford,
Conservative) for 19th April, but the calling of the General Election caused
this to be cancelled. Nevertheless the Backbench Parliamentary Debate did take
place on 20th April. Although the chamber was not well attended the motion was
passed on the voices (how much effect this will have on government policy has
yet to be seen but the matter has now been well aired in Westminster).
Those interested in watching the debate can do so at:
Or you can read the Hansard transcript at:https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2017-04-20/debates/735BC811-D247-4C79-A478-37B503F8F631/StatePensionsUKExpatriates
An excellent point made by a frozen pensioner in the bapaemail news group.
It seems to me that we had no choice other than to pay increasing (indexed) NI contributions and indexed class 3 contributions throughout our working lives and afterwards. I think it a bit rich that, having required us to pay indexed contributions, the government now reneges on indexed payments!
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Questions and answers about pension freezing.
1. We sometimes see the answer that the Carson case went all the way up to the ECHR, and it was ruled that the government had not broken the law. However, it is a law that the government (or its predecessors) made. It is like the old saying that "the King can do no wrong"; if you make the law then you don't break the law, however unjust it may seem.
2. The new proposal for class A3 contributions will be of immense use to self-employed, to people with less than a lifetime of contributing, and to people who wish to boost their additional pensions. But it seems that people will pay the same contribution whether they live in an indexed country or a frozen one. This is very blatant discrimination. They should all get the same indexation.
3. If someone with a frozen pension takes up the offer, will his extra pension be frozen at the same date as his existing pension, or will it be frozen at the time he pays the A3? For example, if someone who came to Australia in 2002 pays an A3 contribution in 2014, will that extra pension be frozen at 2014 or will the freeze be backdated to 2002? Freezing his existing pension at 2002 and his new pension at 2014 would need an adjustment to DWP computer programs to record different freeze dates. Particularly important when a frozen pensioner visits Britain or returns for permanent residence.
4. Someone gave the excuse that "they don't vote". The same could be said about pensioners living in Florida.
5. Some claim that the pension is a PAYGO payment, paid from taxation and not from a fund. This is irrelevant, because that was the way Beveridge designed the scheme. All payments would be made into or out of the NIF, which would be backed and guaranteed by the taxpayer. Contributions generate a right, independently of the source of the funds.
The government tries to tell us they can't afford to index our pensions. They seem to forget that we are not claiming Winter Fuel Allowance, Free bus passes, Free TV licence, NHS treatment (except to be treated like other visitors). These are all social welfare benefits. Paid out of general revenue.
What we do claim, what we do ask for, is what we paid for. Not social welfare, but social insurance. Paid out of the National Insurance Fund. They call it a "contributory benefit" - we contributed.
With the compliments of British Age Pensioner Alliance